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I don't think I have ever been so blind-sided by an author's politics in their fic as I am right now. I was just reading a random Harry/Jacob Black fic, and it was perfectly unoffensive, weird/cute/funny, whatever, until I got to the last half of the last chapter (except the epilogue) - when I read this:

When the food arrived, they both ate massive amounts (despite any prissy arguments to the contrary Harry might have made), and their chatter got louder as they ate. The volume increased further when Harry began to drink his wine. He snuck sips to Jacob when no one was looking.

They discussed, for the first time, their views on gay culture.

Harry was upset about the views most gays take of themselves. "They try to strip their lifestyle of its 'sin' and darkness, and end up taking away its appeal in the process! No matter what they say, being gay is not at all like being straight. And the sex is certainly not just as clean and legitimate as straight sex. It's unhealthy and sometimes perverted, and that is the whole point!"

Jacob tried not to laugh, but he had to agree. Eating fecal matter was not his cup of tea either. Harry then went on to deride the queens and their bizarre search for femininity without going the whole mile and just getting a sex movement, and then the Gay Liberation movement for trying to change people's minds about something that has always gotten a mixed reaction.

"Oh and another thing: I believe that there is any point in educating children about LGBT. They need to find that for themselves."

That one surprised Jacob. "Why? Don't kids have the right to know what options they have besides being straight?"

Harry took a sip of wine before replying, "Oh, I don't believe they should have sex education at all, gay, straight, or whatever. That's private, and parents should be the ones to tell their kids that. They certainly shouldn't be lumped into a room with 20 of their peers and shown how to apply a condom to a banana and graphic slides of syphilis. I would die of embarrassment!"

Jacob did a face-palm but couldn't help but agree with him. He didn't learn anything new that was necessary in Sex Ed and really could've done without knowing some of the things that didn't apply to him. His dad gave him the talk when he was twelve, and that was enough for him. It wasn't until he was with Harry that he felt the need to do any research into enhancing their sex life, but he'd already figured out the basics long before that. Like it is imprinted in a bird's intrinsic code how to fly south, how to have sex is also imprinted in a human's code. It stood to reason.

Knowing that Harry was getting tipsy and wouldn't judge him if he disagreed with him, he said, "Why do gays have to be out there shoving themselves into the public eye, trying to convince the world that they are special? Why all this fuss about their life style? If they are being attacked, that is one thing. But you can't force people to accept you; you have to just be there until it happens naturally. And why can't they just go and live together, and shut up about it? If they want the tax benefits of a legally-acknowledged marriage, why are they living in this country where that hasn't been made legal yet?"

Harry grinned and leaned forward to tap his nose, "Exactly my point. I have no interest in watching a pride parade or glimpsing a man in a gold thong. The only person I have any interest in is you. We can make our own gay culture, together, where the possibility of going to a gay club does not exist."

(i.e., they're going to live in the middle of nowhere in Canada)

Yeah, gay people - If you really want to get married why don't you just move to another country!?

That was only one of the polite opinions expressed. It's just a giant clusterfuck. I know that authors sometimes have to write outside of their own beliefs for their characters, but I see absolutely no reason, unless these are the views of the author, for Harry and Jacob to get into this absolutely random and unnecessary conversation.

Then, of course, there is a statement in the author's profile condemning homophobia.

Date: 2010-07-10 02:05 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile]
I was honestly shocked. The fic was 59 chapters long, and I didn't see a hint of anything until this popped up in Chapter 58!

Date: 2010-07-10 02:07 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile]
Make that 53 chapters, and this popped up in 52.

Date: 2010-07-10 02:15 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile]
JFC, did the author get called out on it? I hope they did.

Date: 2010-07-10 02:24 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile]
Nope. Out of the 2 reviews that even mentioned the conversation, well...

"I also like the drunk ranting near the end there, that was good, and they made good points. As I've said in another chapter I don't have anything against gay people so long as they don't have a crush on me or something (somehow I attract all the people I don't think of as boyfriend material, sad really), but I do think all that campaigning and going nuts over gay people getting married or whatever is rediculous. No one's going to accept you anymore if you're loud about how different you are than if you aren't. Of course I don't think gay people should be married in the church (it's sort of in the Catechism that gay relationships are wrong), but if they want a civil ceremony who cares? I certainly don't."

Date: 2010-07-10 05:08 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile]


Just. RAGE. UGH. I can't believe, without big this HP fandom is, that someone with some actually common sense hasn't gone in there and schooled them all yet. I AM DISAPPOINT.

Date: 2010-07-10 06:02 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile]
Well, unfortunately, I think the common sense factor goes down considerably when you consider two things: It came from the Pit, and it's crossed over with Twilight.

Date: 2010-07-10 06:07 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile]
it's crossed over with Twilight.


Date: 2010-07-10 02:08 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile]
That was pretty much my reaction. Then I had to check the reviews, because I had to see what other reactions had been, and except for everyone who didn't mention it everyone else was saying how much they agreed. D:

Date: 2010-07-10 02:10 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile]
what in the fuckity fuuuck

oh my goooooood what

Date: 2010-07-10 02:15 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile]
Here's a good one:

Aww, a sweet ending. As for the whole gay "culture" thing, I understand what they/you are getting at. I'm all for equal marriage rights, and being open with yourself, but being a gay man does not mean you have to love pink, house music, and feather boas. Or that lesbians must all be butch. Some famous gays are almost insults to others, like Adam Lambert, Rosie O'Donnell, and Perez Hilton; being gay does not make you special or give you the right to be a disgusting hypocrite. You can be gay, acknowledge it, support gay rights, and not be offensive. Look at Ian McKellen and Neil Patrick Harris (Gandalf and Dr. Horrible are both awesome characters...).

Date: 2010-07-10 04:26 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile]



Some famous gays are almost insults to others, like Adam Lambert, Rosie O'Donnell, and Perez Hilton; being gay does not make you special or give you the right to be a disgusting hypocrite. You can be gay, acknowledge it, support gay rights, and not be offensive. Look at Ian McKellen and Neil Patrick Harris (Gandalf and Dr. Horrible are both awesome characters...).

Oh well as long as you're not offensive you can be gay and BTW STOP INSULTING PEOPLE WITH YOUR SEXUALITY AND PERSONALITIES GAWD.


Date: 2010-07-10 01:54 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile]
Whoa, what?

Date: 2010-07-10 02:14 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile]
It's like this author believes she isn't bigoted, because hey, she wrote men having sex!, but then her subconscious feelings take over and she has to make up for writing 53 chapter slash fics by throwing up on the last chapter with rationalizations and shit like this.

Date: 2010-07-10 02:15 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile]
What? What? That's just... *growl*

Date: 2010-07-10 04:23 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile]

I don't think I've ever seen a more perfect example of a homophobic slash writer ever.


Date: 2010-07-10 06:24 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile]
...ew. Ugh, I hate this sort of thing. Keep your politics out of my fic, please and thanks.

Date: 2010-07-10 07:59 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile]
That's horrible. Plz to keep your politics out of my porn.

Date: 2010-07-10 11:21 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] padfoot
You know what argument pretty much makes me homicidal? "I'm okay with gay people as long as they don't fancy me!"

BEING GAY DOES NOT MEAN I FANCY EVERY WOMAN IN THE WORLD. Get your heads out of your arses and stop being so conceited.

I hate the way that to become accepted, a minority group should be quiet and make itself pleasing to the majority. Meanwhile, the majority can happily continue being -ist or -phobic about said group and that's fine, because evolved thought takes time and the minorities will just have to accept that. And if the minorities don't accept that, THEY HAVE AN AGENDA, HELP HELP, HELP!

I hate everyone this morning. :(


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